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Last June a new gallery strcuture was introduced to Resources & Stock Images > Fonts. You can read more about it in the R&S - Font Gallery Update!.

During the process of finding thumbs for each of the Fonts categories in that tree, it became clear to me, that some of the galleries do not even contain one proper submission. I have to admit, I did not do as much moving of deviations into right categories as I should have, but I was also searching for specific fonts and was not able to find one or god forbid two deviations of that kind. There are 24 categories and not all of them seem necessary.

Now with the official announcement of the Gallery Makeover Project it is time to reflect upon the gallery and consider changes to its structure.

I have thought about this issue for months already! Inlcuding belly aches and headaches :lol: Basically my thoughts are "mmmh maybe we were shotting over the moon with this and maybe we should make it simpler". To be honest, making the decision to go into such detail with the subcategories was not an easy one back then either. I was afraid it would be too complicated for people to find the right gallery.

In order to streamline the fonts category, make fonts easier to submit and easier to find, I would suggest to focus on the seven main categories and close all sub-categories.


If you are interested in more of the details of this suggestion, you can read on ;)

Chirographic


Let's have a look at Chirographic fonts and do some math:
Calligraphic = 23 / Chancery = 0 / Handwritten = 45 / Other = 30 / Script = 10. That makes 108 deviations spread among 5 categories*. This seriously brings up the question to me, whether those sub-categories are really necessary.
*Of course, this math is done including miscats, so there could be chirographic fonts in other categories as well as non-chirographic fonts in this one.

So in an effort to optimise this category it would seem logical to have no sub-categories and maybe even rename it from Chirographic to Script. Even tho Chirographic is the proper term, most font foundries do not use it, but refer to this kinda fonts as Script, so I see no reason why dA should not do that.

Non-western


While I still think this category is necessary and good, it probably does not need all the sub-categories. There are ~120 deviation in this category, with Chinese, Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew and Japanese being basically empty. And I tried to look for it, some of those don't have one deviation in the whole of dA at all. So, we could keep Arabic and Other, but that would be kinda pointless, too, if you ask me, so it would most likely be best to nuke the sub-categories.

Reminder about Non-Western: Fonts that imitate a Non-Western writing system, but do actually make the Latin Alphabet belong into Fonts > Other.

Sans Serif


There are at about 480 deviations submitted to this category. The sub-cats each host less than 100 deviations each (this is due to last year's restructuring; some deviations do not show up in the deepest level because they have not been moved there).

A quick search brought up these results:
Geometric = 23
Grotesque = 4
Humanist = 2

Um… yeah. I am impressed by the lack of obviously proper submissions :hmm:

Serif


Here I can see a number of ~600 deviations. (Funnily searching the whole fonts category for serif only brings up 246. You do the math for miscats. And even those results contained non-serif fonts >_>)

Under the assumption that a font designer who creates a new Serif would know what kind it is, would even if not submitted right, at least use a keyword to indicate affiliation, I searched the fonts gallery… here are my search results:
Garalde = 0 (1 result, but that was a Sans Serif font)
Glyphic = 0
Humanist = 0 (2 sans serif fonts)
Modern = 6
Transitional = 3 (3 non serif fonts)

Those search results do in no way justify the existence of these galleries. I am sorry to say it that way, but it's the truth :shrug:

The search results for Sans and Serif also make me wonder… do people even know or care about keywords or descriptions?! From the looks of it, they don't. Or they just do not create those kind fonts.
I guess it also shows that a lot of people create fonts without much knowledge about categories and styles, which is okay, but it also goes to show a lack of professionalism. I don't mean this as an insult. Everybody has to start somewhere :) And that is totally fine. Nobody starts out at something as an expert, that would be absurd :lol:

Generally


The category structure in itself would remain as it is:

  • Resources & Stock Images
    • Fonts
      • Chirographic (Script)
      • Non-Western
      • Other
      • Pixel
      • Sans Serif
      • Serif
      • Slab Serif

I see no necessary changes being made for Blackletter, Pixel or Slab Serif.

Why this change in mind about the sub-categories?
One reason is that I am not even able to distinguish between some of that without reading up and in detail comparisons. And I don't have the time to do that, just to move it to the proper category.

Second one is that as someone looking for a font to use, I will most likely have no idea what each sub-cats stands for either, so I would have a hard time finding a font and may give up in frustration.

Third one: if the big font foundries don't go into that much detail, why should dA? I know, if your friends jump from a bridge… and stuff like that, but seriously… those places make money with fonts and they don't do it!

If you are looking for a specific font, f.e. Garalde, enter it in the search bar and browse fonts. Of course you would have to rely on the creator adding it as a keyword, but if as a creator you made a Garalde font, I am sure you would totally add it to the keywords or description, cos you want your work to be found.

Possible Cons?


One of the initial thoughts of making the categories this deep, was to appear more professional. Also in the hope it would attract more typeface designer to submit their work to dA. Of course, the R&SI gallery is aimed at free content, with a variation of licences, but easy to download and use resources.
I am personally not convinced of this idea, as I believe the quality of submissions is more likely to make more people want to join, rather than a detailed gallery structure. An easier galley structure is in my opinion more likely to attract more quality submissions into their proper place.

The introduction of the Premium Content Platform was another hope to attract more (possibly professional) typeface designers making their fonts available via dA.

On a side note: I would prefer fonts that are available for purchase/download only off dA, to be submitted as designs only to Digital Art > Typography > Font Design with links to the purchase/download site.

Personally I cannot think of a second Con to this, your input is welcome, I may just not be able to see it.

But yeah, this is what may be happening :) Discuss :la:

Lettering vs Calligraphy

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 5:03 AM
Today I want to show you a project I came across doing some research today :la:

Lettering versus Calligraphy
A battle between Martina Flor & Giuseppe Salerno



"‘Lettering vs Calligraphy’ is a project by Giuseppe Salerno and Martina Flor. It consists of a visual dialogue between a letterer and a calligrapher, where they draw/write a letter responding to a keyword given by a moderator. The adventure aims to explore the capabilities of the two technical approaches. It delivers one letter daily and takes place online, where the visitors are invited to vote for their favourite."


I am instantly a huge fan of this project and probably followed them everywhere :lol:

Here are some of their fights :heart:






Btw this is also relevant…


Because there is going to be an update on the Traditional Art > Typography gallery here on dA (on which you can still leave feedback ^^), and Calligraphy and Lettering have turned out to be a sort of hot topic. Strictly speaking, what is actually the difference between them and are they not maybe the same thing?

I am of the stand point that they are very different.

Calligraphy to me has always come from actual writing, your pen/brush touches the paper and writes in one as continuous as possible stroke. Calligraphy is only characters and symbols and no extra decoration. Just the words, written in a beautiful and skillful manner. And it has to be passionate, you can feel rhythm and movement, looking at and creating calligraphy. It is a very emotional form, as the writer is inseparable from what he is writing, the connection is very close through the brush onto the paper.

Lettering on the other hand is something that is more constructed, that can use rulers and erasers and grids and so on. And it can contain a variety of styles in only one work. Different "fonts" and different appearances. It is much more graphic and sometimes even called "built-up-lettering". It may appear and sound to be less emotional, but talented artists manage to create emotions in lettering, too.

Some may even call lettering drawing, which actually makes a pretty good point as to their differences: Drawing vs Writing!

Of course, the difference between the two can be thin!

Elements from both can be combined and create something awesome. What you think it is, is up to you :) If you consider what you do as more calligraphy that is just as good as calling it lettering. This is a wager you have to make up with yourself.

Calligraphy




Lettering




Where do you stand?


Do you think Calligraphy and Lettering are two different things?

Looking forward to hearing your input :eager:

Text and Typography - January 2013

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 4:47 AM
January update about the Text Art and Typography Galleries on dA! :la:

Please check out my journal Input needed - Traditional Typography Gallery!, as I am looking for more input! More about that further down in this journal, too.




Daily Deviations January 2012









Traditional Typography


I am still looking for input on the Input needed - Traditional Typography Gallery! :eager:

Input needed - Traditional Typography Gallery!After the successful restructuring of the Font gallery it is time to tackle the Traditional Art > Typography gallery with an update! 
I already have some ideas of what I think would be great additions / changes, but I want to know what you think about it, too! 

That is what this journal is for :la: 
To share my ideas and to hear your ideas! 

CalligraphyTypographic Stencil & Miscellaneous are a good base for a gallery, but in my opinion they do not adequately display the wid


The range of what you can see in Typography created by Traditional (aka non-digital) means is vast and amazing. There is so much more than the 2 galleries that exist at the moment. Especially with the Stencil gallery, I was always amazed by the fact that it even exists (and disgusted by the amount of miscats, obviously).

I appreciate ANY KIND of input! Even if you think you are unqualified, I call on bullshit, cos maybe actually not having a clue about Typography is exactly what is needed ;)

I want the artform to be as open to anyone as possible and a proper gallery structure and gallery descriptions will definetely help here! So, don not hesitate to give me your thoughts :eyes:

Looking forward to it :happybounce:

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After the successful restructuring of the Font gallery it is time to tackle the Traditional Art > Typography gallery with an update! 

I already have some ideas of what I think would be great additions / changes, but I want to know what you think about it, too! 

That is what this journal is for :la: 
To share my ideas and to hear your ideas! 

CalligraphyTypographic Stencil & Miscellaneous are a good base for a gallery, but in my opinion they do not adequately display the wide range of Traditional Typography.

The range of what you can see in Typography created by Traditional (aka non-digital) means is vast and amazing. There is so much more than the 2 galleries that exist at the moment. Especially with the Stencil gallery, I was always amazed by the fact that it even exists (and disgusted by the amount of miscats, obviously). 

That said, there are not many works that qualify as Typographic Stencil. Therefore a lot of submissions have to be placed into Miscellaneous. And I think we all agree, that posting into Miscellaneous makes you feel sort of incomplete :XD: 


To better illustrate the ideas I had so far, I shall do so by using some examples

These are all ideas for possible categories, which could be added to the current gallery tree. Either on their own or as sub-categories to existing ones.  [In alphabetical order] 


Calligrams
These are comparable with Digital Art > Typography > Text-based Imagery. But they are done traditionally and are usually part of Calligraphy. Maybe they don't need their own gallery at all.

  



Chalkboard
Typographic lettering applied to a chalkboard using chalk of one or more colors. This is usually found in front of restaurants, but more and more artists specialize in this kind of typography. The charm of these works is their temporary character, as a rain or a swipe can destroy them so easily. Obviously these kind could also be drawn on pavement or walls, so maybe "Chalk" would be a better term. But then again, it could be a Drawing as well. Discuss! :la: 

  



Collage
This is pretty much like old-school gangster movie blackmail letters ;) Using a variety of printed materials a new artwork is created. Cutting, arranging and gluing :la: 

  



Drawings
You will see that Typography can be both Drawings and Paintings. Drawings, in this case, are recognizable by the materials used to create them: Pencil, Pen, Ink, Chalk, Graphite, Crayon, Pastels, … 

  



Font / Typeface Design
Similar to what I said about Logo, this would be about sketches and drawings of typefaces before they are turned into usable font files digitally. This could also work as a place for typedesigns made from various materials.
Usually works like this would come in the form of an alphabet.

  



Lettering
This is a sort of generic term. While browsing and looking for examples I found a lot of Tattoo Art. That said, Lettering most often refers to a type treatment that only covers one or several words. A bit like Logo Design, but usually it does not stand for a company, but more often for a person's name or similar personal illustrations. Calligraphy may actually be a part of this, but then again most of the categories in this list could be called Lettering.

  

Lettering can also refer to the Art of Lettering Comics. Before the Digital Age (and way into it) there actually was the job of drawing the text into speech bubbles. For anyone familiar with the process of this, you also know that a comic book can be split up into many parts: Lineart, Coloring, Lettering… 



Logo Design
Sketches, scribbles or final drafts of Logo designs, before they are redrawn in vector.

  
 


Paintings
Same thing as with Drawings. Paintings are defined by the materials, such as: Oil, Watercolors, Acryl, Tempera, …

  



Penmanship
This Art or Craft can easily be described best as Classical Handwriting. Especially in the Middle Ages and way up into the 18th century most people were illiterates. The Craft of Penmanship was required for them to set up documents such as contracts or letters. 
The kind of Handwriting used in Penmanship is a very delicate and well trained technique. It requires precision and focus, as the writing needs to be perfect. 

  
 


Sculpture / Craft
Basically this is 3D Typography, using our actual 3 dimensions ;) 
From the Traditional Art > Sculpture gallery description:
Sculptures of 3D art using materials including marble, wood, bronze casting, metal works, stone, clay, plaster or even paper-mache.

   



Typewriter
The original ASCII art: much like Calligrams single keys are arranged in a way to form a visual image. A similar category already exists in Digital Art > Typography > Text-based Imagery. You only use a typewriter and a piece of paper. 

  


What about galleries that already exist elsewhere?

Immediately to my mind springs Graffiti, Printing and Logos. Those can all contain Typography. I guess it is most wise to leave them where they are ;) As for Logos, a Traditional gallery with sketches and versions may not be a concurrence to the Design & Interfaces > Logos & Logotypes category. Especially as Logos, which are submitted to D&I, are vectors or at least final versions of it. Obviously this would only be for Logos that are of a typographical nature :meow: 


Questions!


Is there any kinda Traditional Typography I missed?

Can you show me one of your works, that did not fit into the current Traditional Typography gallery?

How would you sort the gallery? Have all categories next to each other or create a hierarchy?


Should it be sorted after medium, technique, style or purpose?  Or just a mix of all, if that makes sense…


 Let me know what you think :la: :heart: 


Welcome to CR Text and Typography!

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:56 AM


What is this? I founded another group!

#CRTextAndTypography is a group dedicated to the Text Art and Typography Community/ies on deviantART :la: :eager:

:groups: What the group is about

  • Showcasing and collecting Daily Deviations
  • Posting and collecting articles
  • Notifying about contests; ones that are officially held by me in my position as Community Volunteer and others coming from the community, maybe even external ones.
  • Hosting community challenges

Admins and Members


Anybody can join as a Member; you don't have to leave a message to join the group, it's totally auto-approved ;)

Admins have certain privileges, as f.e. submitting journals directly to the group's journal, access to the admin area etc..  They are also in a position to help create challenges, contests and other projects. Admins however are not auto-approved; if you do want to join as admin, please add a good reason as to why you think you want to help out. There is yet not much to do for admins, but a certain love for typography (obviously) and motivation to work with the community are necessary.

Submitting Art/Gallery Folders


Here is a little overview of the group's folders and how they are maintained:

Featured: I will personally submit every Daily Deviation set from the Digital and Traditional Typography galleries and the Digital Text Art gallery into the "Featured" folder :) It has such a nice name, I'm going to keep it for featured DDs ;)

Challenges: There will be folders created for upcoming challenges. Any deviation following the rules of those challenges will be accepted. There will be an article for each challenge, containing previous challenge's submissions and the new challenge. (The folders don't exist yet, they will be created with every new challenge announcement)

Tutorials: A collection of educational articles and tutorials.

Articles: Journals and News articles about Text Art and Typography, contest announcements, other related journal/news deviations.

Contests: In the future new folders for contests hosted by me as a CV may be added to the gallery.

Favourites


I am not sure whether I will have them open at all. From my experience group's favourites are hardly ever viewed by anyone. On the other hand deviations can be in them, without the owner having to vote on it. For now "Favourites" shall remain closed.

Journal


Admins will be able to submit journals into the group's actual journal while uploading the journal. This can also be done retroactive. Simply check the group when in the submission proccess.
If you have already written Typography related articles and would like to submit them to the group's journal let me know. You can always submit them to the gallery, too. The choice is up to you :)

Affiliations


If you are owner of a Typography group, you are welcome to affiliate with #CRTextAndTypography :) To do so simply go to your own group and click on the "Affiliate" link on the profile menu; then type in this groups name (or copy paste, I would recommend that ;) ) and the request is send and will be accepted. Of course only if the focus of the group is in fact Text Art or Typography.   

:skullbones: What this is not


This group is not open for all submissions. As mentioned above, submissions will only contain DDs, tutorials and articles and challenge/contest submissions. Anything that does not follow these rules will not be accepted. This place is not a "deviation dump" ;)

:heart: Last but not least…


I appreciate every new watcher and member of this group :) This is all very new (and this sentence will have to be edited one day, as I want this to be an "About" page :P) and I hope this group can support me in my position as Community Volunteer.

…and stay devious! :peace:



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